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Aug 19, 2010 10:33 pm

JerseyDevil65 wrote:HeartHer, you do know that Hayley didn't really castrate Jeff, right? :)
Dammit I thought so but my friend insisted she really did. I don't know why I even listen to him he usually gets this stuff wrong. Well that puts me way more on her side then :lol2:. I was wondering he felt so relieved when he felt down there, and also when he says "Which do you wanna **** first me or the knife?" I was pretty sure he'd have to still have his nuts to make that threat :laugh:. Also how she took the tape out of the VCR and the video in the camera was Porky pig. Yeah I don't know how I let someone convince me otherwise.

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Aug 20, 2010 2:20 pm

So you're more on her side because she didn't castrate him? Are you forgetting the part where she tricked him into hanging himself?
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Aug 20, 2010 6:30 pm

GiveHimTheKick wrote:So you're more on her side because she didn't castrate him? Are you forgetting the part where she tricked him into hanging himself?

She did trick him but I think his own guilt was the reason he hung himself.

I was always on Hayley's side. I am older than Jeff was and I would never even consider talking to a 14 year old girl online let alone meeting her in person. There was never any doubt in my mind what Jeff was and what he would have done to Hayley if given the chance.
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JerseyDevil65 wrote:
GiveHimTheKick wrote:So you're more on her side because she didn't castrate him? Are you forgetting the part where she tricked him into hanging himself?

She did trick him but I think his own guilt was the reason he hung himself.

I was always on Hayley's side. I am older than Jeff was and I would never even consider talking to a 14 year old girl online let alone meeting her in person. There was never any doubt in my mind what Jeff was and what he would have done to Hayley if given the chance.
I love Hayley as a character and I would have been on her side even if she had just said "Hasta la Vista, Baby" to Jeff and shot the :evilcensored: dead.
But then it would've been a real short movie :yellowink:
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Aug 20, 2010 7:24 pm

I love Hayley's character. Wonderfull written, and of course, well acted. She's pretty much a bad-ass.

I think I'm on her side, but I can still sort of sympathize with Jeff.
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Aug 20, 2010 7:48 pm

GiveHimTheKick wrote:So you're more on her side because she didn't castrate him? Are you forgetting the part where she tricked him into hanging himself?
She tricked him, but she didn't force him. He could've run away after the fake castration. But no, he chose to try and get revenge on her for... Something at that point he knew she didn't cut his balls off so he really
hadn't lost anything. In the end he could've gone back inside and just accepted he'd been caught and taken the just punishment. Instead he chose to kill himself, which was partially Hayley's trick, but largely his own guilt. Either way, it's important to remember he took part in a murder. Death isn't an unjust punishment for a murderer and rapist. Hayley was just ensuring he was found out and got the punishment he deserved instead of being treated like a poor mentally sick soul and being let out on the streeets in a year.

Had the castration been real I mightve felt slightly more sympathetic to Geoff because that's definitely cruel and unusual punishment, but he killed himself, which is arguably what he deserved.

Hayley's still a psycho for going through all that, but she had a cause.

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Aug 21, 2010 12:05 am

Damn straight. I've been totally bemused by all the sympathy for the devil in this thread. Have i misunderstood events or did Jeff and his accomplice not kidnap, rape and strangle Hayley's friend, photographing it presumably for masturbation purposes later. Had that have been my girlfriend or sister Jeff could consider himself lucky not to get burnt at a stake.



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Aug 21, 2010 12:55 am

Buyhercandy wrote:Damn straight. I've been totally bemused by all the sympathy for the devil in this thread. Have i misunderstood events or did Jeff and his accomplice not kidnap, rape and strangle Hayley's friend, photographing it presumably for masturbation purposes later. Had that have been my girlfriend or sister Jeff could consider himself lucky not to get burnt at a stake.



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Well yes, and that's why I do take Hayley's side. Although, you could see her as going too far, I see where people have sympathy for Geoff. He watched his accomplice kill the child, he didn't take part in it. Although he was basically begging, he did offer Hayley his name in exchange for mercy, so she could've caught the true culprit but was blinded by vengeance and punished Geoff. Geoff was screwed up in the head, he was clearly grief stricken for most of his life by his love, and this completely messed with his mind and turned him into what he was. I had sympathy for Geoff, since really it's his mind that's screwed up and he clearly did need help, but I take Hayley's side because whether or not he was mentally ill, his actions were unforgivable, he molested children and was an accomplice to the murder of one, and what's more he had no intentions of halting his actions.

I take Hayley's side and believe Geoff deserved major punishment, but I do have sympathy for Geoff's suffering.
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Aug 21, 2010 2:53 am

HeartHer wrote: He watched his accomplice kill the child, he didn't take part in it.
We don't know that for sure. Hayley said that Aaron told her that Jeff killed her.

Personally I believe they both did it and tried to blame the other.
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Aug 21, 2010 4:06 am

JerseyDevil65 wrote:
HeartHer wrote: He watched his accomplice kill the child, he didn't take part in it.
We don't know that for sure. Hayley said that Aaron told her that Jeff killed her.

Personally I believe they both did it and tried to blame the other.
Yeah I kinda trailed off there and completely forgot that part :lol2:. I was going to say there's no evidence of what happened but his word, so there's really no hard evidence to support what he deserved. But there goes my attention span again, completely forgetting parts of the story and making something up :longtongue:.

Important part is a lot of stuff was wrong with Geoff mentally so you can kinda feel bad since it was a bit of a mental illness, not just some sick action he though would be funny.

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Aug 23, 2010 2:11 pm

I'm on Hayley's side 100%. But then, I also believe in vigilante justice, so....

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Aug 24, 2010 12:29 am

JerseyDevil65 wrote:
HeartHer wrote: He watched his accomplice kill the child, he didn't take part in it.
We don't know that for sure. Hayley said that Aaron told her that Jeff killed her.

Personally I believe they both did it and tried to blame the other.

Straight up. And i would proffer the small addendum that because they were both willing and pre-meditative it doesn't matter who actually physically took the life the accomplice is by law and by rights a co-defendant. And even when Jeff wants to claim innocence it's like 'so why the hell did you take and keep photo's of it?'

So f*** him.
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Aug 24, 2010 12:21 pm

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JerseyDevil65 wrote:
HeartHer wrote: He watched his accomplice kill the child, he didn't take part in it.
We don't know that for sure. Hayley said that Aaron told her that Jeff killed her.

Personally I believe they both did it and tried to blame the other.

Straight up. And i would proffer the small addendum that because they were both willing and pre-meditative it doesn't matter who actually physically took the life the accomplice is by law and by rights a co-defendant. And even when Jeff wants to claim innocence it's like 'so why the hell did you take and keep photo's of it?'

So f*** him.
I don't think it's quite so black and white that you can just say **** him.

This has been discussed since the movie came out I'm sure, but it's clear Geoff was mentally ill. The thing that makes me feel Hayley is in the right is because it's just how justice works. He took part in the raping and murdering of someone and took pictures for his own sexual pleasure. Since he did these horrible things, he deserved brutal punishment, but I can't help but feel a bit sad for him, there was clearly something wrong in his head. It's just the fact that he never cut his losses and ran. What had he lost really? He thought Hayley was in the shower so he tried to kill her. He knew he still had his boys at that point so he could have ran away and completely escaped. That's where I cross the line and see that even though there's something wrong with him, he's dangerous, twisted, and has done such unforgivable things, that he deserved what he got.
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Aug 27, 2010 10:19 am

Fighting violence with violence is an absurd concept that just does not seem right, yet I could help myself but to savor the bittersweet taste of vendetta, of justice served... Enjoyable ending.
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Aug 27, 2010 1:37 pm

HeartHer wrote:It's just the fact that he never cut his losses and ran. What had he lost really? He thought Hayley was in the shower so he tried to kill her. He knew he still had his boys at that point so he could have ran away and completely escaped. That's where I cross the line and see that even though there's something wrong with him, he's dangerous, twisted, and has done such unforgivable things, that he deserved what he got.
I definitely agree with this. He had a small window of opportunity to escape his predicament, but instead he got too greedy and reached a point of no return. Hayley accordingly delivered the justice.
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Yep, I'm with Hayley on this one. If you think about it, she never did any lasting, physical damage to Jeff. The fake castration was her way of making him feel just as bad, mentally, as all the girls he had abused. She only used the taser on him AFTER he chose to ignore the chance to escape and go after her life. And only a guilty conscience would make you jump from that roof. If he had chosen not to jump, he probably could have won in a trial. He has a witness who saw Hayley dishevelled, flustered and completely free to leave at any time. A witness who heard his muffled yells and who was clearly suspicious of Hayley's presence at the house. He could have easily said that she came over, drugged him (the drugs were in her back pack), pretended to castrate him (the fake bloody cups, the fake bloody scalpel, the video tape, the medical book), and planted the child porn. Since there's proof of the first two acts, it's not hard to believe the third one. Her finger prints on the gun... the taser...

Definitely a guilty conscience sent him off that roof.
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Aug 31, 2010 1:23 am

Troter wrote:Yep, I'm with Hayley on this one. If you think about it, she never did any lasting, physical damage to Jeff. The fake castration was her way of making him feel just as bad, mentally, as all the girls he had abused. She only used the taser on him AFTER he chose to ignore the chance to escape and go after her life. And only a guilty conscience would make you jump from that roof. If he had chosen not to jump, he probably could have won in a trial. He has a witness who saw Hayley dishevelled, flustered and completely free to leave at any time. A witness who heard his muffled yells and who was clearly suspicious of Hayley's presence at the house. He could have easily said that she came over, drugged him (the drugs were in her back pack), pretended to castrate him (the fake bloody cups, the fake bloody scalpel, the video tape, the medical book), and planted the child porn. Since there's proof of the first two acts, it's not hard to believe the third one. Her finger prints on the gun... the taser...

Definitely a guilty conscience sent him off that roof.
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